On the Vexilar FL 20 and FL 22, the 6 and 12 foot zoom is well worth it, as is the day/night mode. The ability to cut back the lighting is much easier on the eyes at night, and adds even greater subtleties to the detail. FL 12.9 are betas for FL 20, so any features they add in these betas you can be sure will be there for the final FL 20 release. I can't say what they have planned for the future, but it won't hurt to start exploring whatever new workflow options you want in 12.9.x.
Twenty Gauge versus Twelve Gauge: What is Best?
By Randy Wakeman
This is one of the eternal circular logic questions that is asked again and again andanswered with a host of mythological 'facts' and sometimes misleadingrecommendations. For those that have convinced themselves there is a correctanswer, there is scant reason to read further. There is no all-encompassinganswer that is right or wrong. Open freely apk. I'll start by attempting to debunk a few of theconventional 'wisdoms.'
Recoil.You'll read that twenty gauges have more recoil, more recoil than 12 gauges, orjust the opposite—that they have less. Neither answer has any basis in fact.Gauge alone is not part of any recoil equation; gauge alone means absolutelynothing as far as recoil. There is no standard weight assigned to a gauge, nora specific frame dimension. The basics of action type remain true regardless ofgauge: gas-operated guns have less felt recoil than fixed breech guns.Relatively heavy guns have less recoil than lighter guns. About the onlytruthful answer that can be given to 'Which gauge kicks less?' is that a 20gauge has a smaller hole in the barrel than a 12 gauge.
There areseveral models of twenty gauges, of various action types, that have exemplifiedthis vividly. I've spent many happy hours shooting one of the older, 'standardweight' 20 gauge Remington 870 Wingmasters. A tad on the heavy side compared tosome 20 gauge examples, like most fixed breech guns—the heavier they get, themore fun they are to shoot for extended periods. Using this 870 with 7/8 oz.1175 fps loads, it is just plain fun to shoot. Younger shooters have found thiscombination ideal, as have those of the fairer sex. So has Randy; certainly inthe fun department.
Unlikerifles, where the .308 is reinvented year after year to thunderous applause,you might think that the small diversity of standard shotguns offered wouldsupport more choices, not less of them. No one I know will run out of fingers,much less toes, counting out the gauge choices. A pity there aren't more, atleast incremental changes of obvious value: like a three inch chambered 16gauge for example. That remains a story for another day.
Despite thetortured, unsupported notions of back-boring, lengthened forcing cones andother trivia that fills the murky chatter of scattergunning, it is hard to getaway from the obvious: pattern potential, lethality, and range is a function ofshotshell payload far more than any other factor. We can't expect more pelletsto exist in a pattern, at any range, than we managed to get out of the muzzlein the first place. Most of the historical comparisons between gauges andnotions of suitability for use are predicated on the notions of a 7/8 oz.payload being used in the 20 gauge, and an 1-1/8 oz load being used in the 12gauge. The NSSA maximum allowable charge weights are 394 grains for a 20 ga.,and 507 grains for a 12 gauge (standardpayloads are 382.8 and 492.2 grains, respectively). More is more, in thiscase, and having a bit more than 28% increase in pellet count in a 12 gaugecannot help but foster the notion of superiority. It has. It also increasesrecoil if other factors (gun type and weight, MV, etc.) are equal.
However,those comparisons become moot when the payloads change dramatically. One of thelowest standards for a 'dead bird' is of course the skeet field. If we miss thebird with 1-1/8 oz. of # 9 shot, we have missed it about 658 times with thevery same shot. If it seems a long way from Annie Oakley dusting glass orbs inthe air with her old Marlin lever action rimfire, that is because it is. Defining the suitability of agun for clays has a lot to do with the 'fun factor.' There are 'seriousshooters' (who usually have money on the line) and those that are serious abouthaving fun, which defines recreational clays shooting.
For havingfun with clays, there is no particular distinction. If the sport means casualuse, it hardly matters. If you competing in scored events (ATA, NSSA, NSCA) isthe sole definition, then naturally you use the gauge and payload that conformsto the specific event regulations. It is obvious that for non-scored shooting,lighter than standard payloads in 12 gauge are more and more popular. Eitherour guns aren't as soft to shoot as we once suspected, we don't feel we need1-1/8 oz. of pellets to break a piece of clay anymore, or we are busy carpingabout lead shot prices more than gasoline these days. For dedicated 27 yardhandicap trap use, relatively heavy, slow, long 12 gauge models remain aspopular as they have always been. For fun, the answer is good old personalpreference like most things. Shoot what you enjoy shooting.
Growing upin northern Illinois, it was a privilege for me to get to go to Dieter'shardware store and buy the shells for the next morning's pheasant hunt. How to make a winzip folder. Elgin bike serial number database. I was agrade-schooler at the time and the shells were invariably 1-1/4 oz. Peters orSuper-X 12 gauge loads. So it was for many years, a 12 gauge standardweight A-5defining the pheasant and duck gun. It did the job then and they work just aswell today.
My Dad isturning 80 years young next year and you can believe he still enjoys pheasanthunting. I've been a 16 gauge and 20 gauge fan for pheasants for many years,but we all understand how old habits are hard to change. Most of us don't havereflexes that improve with age, and I'm no exception, nor is my Dad. When I wasvery young, my Dad would have two roosters dead in the air before I got my gunto my shoulder. You might remember what they say about 'paybacks'? Anyway,quite often the tables have become exactly turned.
I'm notafraid to take advantage when it presents itself; it was a fly-to the-shoulderA 303 or B-80 that most often did the trick and still does, thirty-five wildIllinois pheasants out of the ditches and waterways every year. Dad was stilllugging his A-5 standardweight. Well, as most know, even a 'Light Twelve' isnot particularly light. When Browning introduced their Gold, I was impressedwith it. Dad ribbed me about my suggestion that he try a twenty, particular a‘new-fangled gas gun,' but finally Dad succumbed to my borderline clever urging.It was a Browning. It has been the long-held belief that only Brownings areadequate for pheasants in northern Illinois. The name Browning finally weakenedDad to the point where off to Mega-Sports we went. The model that fit Dad thebest cost nine dollars or so more than one that didn't fit quite right. Dadeven splurged, throwing caution to the wind, and spent that extra nine dollars,eventually. He first had to 'discuss it with my Mother,' another traditional,borderline clever Wakeman ploy.
Using 1-1/4oz. 3 in. 20 gauge shells with buffered #5 shot and the factory BrowningInvector Plus chokes, the first 21 shots or so out of that gun resulted in 21dead cock pheasants for my Dad. Lighter, to say the very least, compared to thestandard weight A-5 and much faster due to weight, girth, and its 26 inchbarrel. It instantly erased twenty years of time for my Dad: fun to carry, andlightning fast to the shoulder by comparison. He loves that gun so much he evencleans it every couple of years, whether it needs it or not. He still shootsit, and I don't believe that is likely to change. It went to Argentina and tookits fair share of ducks as well. It is shotgun nirvana for my father. With 7/8oz. loads, the recoil is almost non-existent: you can barely feel the gunworking.
In one ofmany patterning sessions, this one in particular with lead turkey loads, I'vehad 1-1/4 oz. and 1-5/16 oz. 20 gauge loads clearly, vividly, dramaticallyoutperform 1-1/2 oz. and 1-7/8 oz. 12 gauge loads, but putting up to 100% more#5 shot holes in the turkey target at 40 yards than some 12 gauges. Naturally,I cheated again, using buffered Federal 1-5/16 oz. loads and Fiocchi Goldenpheasant loads married to Trulock Precision Hunter extended chokes in the 20gauges against fixed and factory screw chokes in the 12 gauges. We still don'tlike the notion that every shotgun is an individual, but they sure are. Not all20 gauges pattern superbly, to be sure, nor do all 12 gauges, either. Qualityshells, quality chokes and patterning our shotguns at the ranges we intend totake game is the only way to find out what our gun really does. It is hard toaccept, but the marking on a choke or barrel means nothing tangible. What theyactually do is what counts.
So, thereis no 'versus.' Twenty gauges (and 16 gauges) are superb tools for pheasants,doves and turkey, at least when you use the proper shell and choke. Nothingmuch can live on the difference, and nothing has. When hull component capacitybecomes important it becomes 12 gauge territory (steel shot) and the same canbe said for dedicated handicap trap or race guns. For all else, it is 20 gaugeor 16 gauge for me. That's not a versus, not a vitriolic recommendation, butpersonal preference. I have more fun with them; you just might as well.Besides, my Dad is always right, eventually.
Twenty Gauge versus Twelve Gauge: What is Best?
By Randy Wakeman
Winrar 64 bit rar. This is one of the eternal circular logic questions that is asked again and again andanswered with a host of mythological 'facts' and sometimes misleadingrecommendations. For those that have convinced themselves there is a correctanswer, there is scant reason to read further. There is no all-encompassinganswer that is right or wrong. I'll start by attempting to debunk a few of theconventional 'wisdoms.'
Recoil.You'll read that twenty gauges have more recoil, more recoil than 12 gauges, orjust the opposite—that they have less. Neither answer has any basis in fact.Gauge alone is not part of any recoil equation; gauge alone means absolutelynothing as far as recoil. There is no standard weight assigned to a gauge, nora specific frame dimension. The basics of action type remain true regardless ofgauge: gas-operated guns have less felt recoil than fixed breech guns.Relatively heavy guns have less recoil than lighter guns. About the onlytruthful answer that can be given to 'Which gauge kicks less?' is that a 20gauge has a smaller hole in the barrel than a 12 gauge.
There areseveral models of twenty gauges, of various action types, that have exemplifiedthis vividly. I've spent many happy hours shooting one of the older, 'standardweight' 20 gauge Remington 870 Wingmasters. A tad on the heavy side compared tosome 20 gauge examples, like most fixed breech guns—the heavier they get, themore fun they are to shoot for extended periods. Using this 870 with 7/8 oz.1175 fps loads, it is just plain fun to shoot. Younger shooters have found thiscombination ideal, as have those of the fairer sex. So has Randy; certainly inthe fun department.
Unlikerifles, where the .308 is reinvented year after year to thunderous applause,you might think that the small diversity of standard shotguns offered wouldsupport more choices, not less of them. No one I know will run out of fingers,much less toes, counting out the gauge choices. A pity there aren't more, atleast incremental changes of obvious value: like a three inch chambered 16gauge for example. That remains a story for another day.
Despite thetortured, unsupported notions of back-boring, lengthened forcing cones andother trivia that fills the murky chatter of scattergunning, it is hard to getaway from the obvious: pattern potential, lethality, and range is a function ofshotshell payload far more than any other factor. We can't expect more pelletsto exist in a pattern, at any range, than we managed to get out of the muzzlein the first place. Most of the historical comparisons between gauges andnotions of suitability for use are predicated on the notions of a 7/8 oz.payload being used in the 20 gauge, and an 1-1/8 oz load being used in the 12gauge. The NSSA maximum allowable charge weights are 394 grains for a 20 ga.,and 507 grains for a 12 gauge (standardpayloads are 382.8 and 492.2 grains, respectively). More is more, in thiscase, and having a bit more than 28% increase in pellet count in a 12 gaugecannot help but foster the notion of superiority. It has. Fox read it. It also increasesrecoil if other factors (gun type and weight, MV, etc.) are equal.
However,those comparisons become moot when the payloads change dramatically. One of thelowest standards for a 'dead bird' is of course the skeet field. If we miss thebird with 1-1/8 oz. of # 9 shot, we have missed it about 658 times with thevery same shot. If it seems a long way from Annie Oakley dusting glass orbs inthe air with her old Marlin lever action rimfire, that is because it is. Defining the suitability of agun for clays has a lot to do with the 'fun factor.' There are 'seriousshooters' (who usually have money on the line) and those that are serious abouthaving fun, which defines recreational clays shooting.
For havingfun with clays, there is no particular distinction. If the sport means casualuse, it hardly matters. If you competing in scored events (ATA, NSSA, NSCA) isthe sole definition, then naturally you use the gauge and payload that conformsto the specific event regulations. It is obvious that for non-scored shooting,lighter than standard payloads in 12 gauge are more and more popular. Eitherour guns aren't as soft to shoot as we once suspected, we don't feel we need1-1/8 oz. of pellets to break a piece of clay anymore, or we are busy carpingabout lead shot prices more than gasoline these days. For dedicated 27 yardhandicap trap use, relatively heavy, slow, long 12 gauge models remain aspopular as they have always been. For fun, the answer is good old personalpreference like most things. Shoot what you enjoy shooting.
Growing upin northern Illinois, it was a privilege for me to get to go to Dieter'shardware store and buy the shells for the next morning's pheasant hunt. I was agrade-schooler at the time and the shells were invariably 1-1/4 oz. Peters orSuper-X 12 gauge loads. So it was for many years, a 12 gauge standardweight A-5defining the pheasant and duck gun. It did the job then and they work just aswell today.
My Dad isturning 80 years young next year and you can believe he still enjoys pheasanthunting. I've been a 16 gauge and 20 gauge fan for pheasants for many years,but we all understand how old habits are hard to change. Most of us don't havereflexes that improve with age, and I'm no exception, nor is my Dad. When I wasvery young, my Dad would have two roosters dead in the air before I got my gunto my shoulder. You might remember what they say about 'paybacks'? Anyway,quite often the tables have become exactly turned.
I'm notafraid to take advantage when it presents itself; it was a fly-to the-shoulderA 303 or B-80 that most often did the trick and still does, thirty-five wildIllinois pheasants out of the ditches and waterways every year. Dad was stilllugging his A-5 standardweight. Well, as most know, even a 'Light Twelve' isnot particularly light. When Browning introduced their Gold, I was impressedwith it. Dad ribbed me about my suggestion that he try a twenty, particular a‘new-fangled gas gun,' but finally Dad succumbed to my borderline clever urging.It was a Browning. It has been the long-held belief that only Brownings areadequate for pheasants in northern Illinois. The name Browning finally weakenedDad to the point where off to Mega-Sports we went. The model that fit Dad thebest cost nine dollars or so more than one that didn't fit quite right. Dadeven splurged, throwing caution to the wind, and spent that extra nine dollars,eventually. He first had to 'discuss it with my Mother,' another traditional,borderline clever Wakeman ploy.
Using 1-1/4oz. 3 in. 20 gauge shells with buffered #5 shot and the factory BrowningInvector Plus chokes, the first 21 shots or so out of that gun resulted in 21dead cock pheasants for my Dad. Lighter, to say the very least, compared to thestandard weight A-5 and much faster due to weight, girth, and its 26 inchbarrel. It instantly erased twenty years of time for my Dad: fun to carry, andlightning fast to the shoulder by comparison. He loves that gun so much he evencleans it every couple of years, whether it needs it or not. He still shootsit, and I don't believe that is likely to change. It went to Argentina and tookits fair share of ducks as well. It is shotgun nirvana for my father. With 7/8oz. loads, the recoil is almost non-existent: you can barely feel the gunworking.
In one ofmany patterning sessions, this one in particular with lead turkey loads, I'vehad 1-1/4 oz. and 1-5/16 oz. 20 gauge loads clearly, vividly, dramaticallyoutperform 1-1/2 oz. and 1-7/8 oz. 12 gauge loads, but putting up to 100% more#5 shot holes in the turkey target at 40 yards than some 12 gauges. Naturally,I cheated again, using buffered Federal 1-5/16 oz. loads and Fiocchi Goldenpheasant loads married to Trulock Precision Hunter extended chokes in the 20gauges against fixed and factory screw chokes in the 12 gauges. We still don'tlike the notion that every shotgun is an individual, but they sure are. Not all20 gauges pattern superbly, to be sure, nor do all 12 gauges, either. Qualityshells, quality chokes and patterning our shotguns at the ranges we intend totake game is the only way to find out what our gun really does. It is hard toaccept, but the marking on a choke or barrel means nothing tangible. What theyactually do is what counts.
Fl Studio 12 Vs 20
In one ofmany patterning sessions, this one in particular with lead turkey loads, I'vehad 1-1/4 oz. and 1-5/16 oz. 20 gauge loads clearly, vividly, dramaticallyoutperform 1-1/2 oz. and 1-7/8 oz. 12 gauge loads, but putting up to 100% more#5 shot holes in the turkey target at 40 yards than some 12 gauges. Naturally,I cheated again, using buffered Federal 1-5/16 oz. loads and Fiocchi Goldenpheasant loads married to Trulock Precision Hunter extended chokes in the 20gauges against fixed and factory screw chokes in the 12 gauges. We still don'tlike the notion that every shotgun is an individual, but they sure are. Not all20 gauges pattern superbly, to be sure, nor do all 12 gauges, either. Qualityshells, quality chokes and patterning our shotguns at the ranges we intend totake game is the only way to find out what our gun really does. It is hard toaccept, but the marking on a choke or barrel means nothing tangible. What theyactually do is what counts.
So, thereis no 'versus.' Twenty gauges (and 16 gauges) are superb tools for pheasants,doves and turkey, at least when you use the proper shell and choke. Nothingmuch can live on the difference, and nothing has. When hull component capacitybecomes important it becomes 12 gauge territory (steel shot) and the same canbe said for dedicated handicap trap or race guns. For all else, it is 20 gaugeor 16 gauge for me. That's not a versus, not a vitriolic recommendation, butpersonal preference. I have more fun with them; you just might as well.Besides, my Dad is always right, eventually.
Twenty Gauge versus Twelve Gauge: What is Best?
By Randy Wakeman
Winrar 64 bit rar. This is one of the eternal circular logic questions that is asked again and again andanswered with a host of mythological 'facts' and sometimes misleadingrecommendations. For those that have convinced themselves there is a correctanswer, there is scant reason to read further. There is no all-encompassinganswer that is right or wrong. I'll start by attempting to debunk a few of theconventional 'wisdoms.'
Recoil.You'll read that twenty gauges have more recoil, more recoil than 12 gauges, orjust the opposite—that they have less. Neither answer has any basis in fact.Gauge alone is not part of any recoil equation; gauge alone means absolutelynothing as far as recoil. There is no standard weight assigned to a gauge, nora specific frame dimension. The basics of action type remain true regardless ofgauge: gas-operated guns have less felt recoil than fixed breech guns.Relatively heavy guns have less recoil than lighter guns. About the onlytruthful answer that can be given to 'Which gauge kicks less?' is that a 20gauge has a smaller hole in the barrel than a 12 gauge.
There areseveral models of twenty gauges, of various action types, that have exemplifiedthis vividly. I've spent many happy hours shooting one of the older, 'standardweight' 20 gauge Remington 870 Wingmasters. A tad on the heavy side compared tosome 20 gauge examples, like most fixed breech guns—the heavier they get, themore fun they are to shoot for extended periods. Using this 870 with 7/8 oz.1175 fps loads, it is just plain fun to shoot. Younger shooters have found thiscombination ideal, as have those of the fairer sex. So has Randy; certainly inthe fun department.
Unlikerifles, where the .308 is reinvented year after year to thunderous applause,you might think that the small diversity of standard shotguns offered wouldsupport more choices, not less of them. No one I know will run out of fingers,much less toes, counting out the gauge choices. A pity there aren't more, atleast incremental changes of obvious value: like a three inch chambered 16gauge for example. That remains a story for another day.
Despite thetortured, unsupported notions of back-boring, lengthened forcing cones andother trivia that fills the murky chatter of scattergunning, it is hard to getaway from the obvious: pattern potential, lethality, and range is a function ofshotshell payload far more than any other factor. We can't expect more pelletsto exist in a pattern, at any range, than we managed to get out of the muzzlein the first place. Most of the historical comparisons between gauges andnotions of suitability for use are predicated on the notions of a 7/8 oz.payload being used in the 20 gauge, and an 1-1/8 oz load being used in the 12gauge. The NSSA maximum allowable charge weights are 394 grains for a 20 ga.,and 507 grains for a 12 gauge (standardpayloads are 382.8 and 492.2 grains, respectively). More is more, in thiscase, and having a bit more than 28% increase in pellet count in a 12 gaugecannot help but foster the notion of superiority. It has. Fox read it. It also increasesrecoil if other factors (gun type and weight, MV, etc.) are equal.
However,those comparisons become moot when the payloads change dramatically. One of thelowest standards for a 'dead bird' is of course the skeet field. If we miss thebird with 1-1/8 oz. of # 9 shot, we have missed it about 658 times with thevery same shot. If it seems a long way from Annie Oakley dusting glass orbs inthe air with her old Marlin lever action rimfire, that is because it is. Defining the suitability of agun for clays has a lot to do with the 'fun factor.' There are 'seriousshooters' (who usually have money on the line) and those that are serious abouthaving fun, which defines recreational clays shooting.
For havingfun with clays, there is no particular distinction. If the sport means casualuse, it hardly matters. If you competing in scored events (ATA, NSSA, NSCA) isthe sole definition, then naturally you use the gauge and payload that conformsto the specific event regulations. It is obvious that for non-scored shooting,lighter than standard payloads in 12 gauge are more and more popular. Eitherour guns aren't as soft to shoot as we once suspected, we don't feel we need1-1/8 oz. of pellets to break a piece of clay anymore, or we are busy carpingabout lead shot prices more than gasoline these days. For dedicated 27 yardhandicap trap use, relatively heavy, slow, long 12 gauge models remain aspopular as they have always been. For fun, the answer is good old personalpreference like most things. Shoot what you enjoy shooting.
Growing upin northern Illinois, it was a privilege for me to get to go to Dieter'shardware store and buy the shells for the next morning's pheasant hunt. I was agrade-schooler at the time and the shells were invariably 1-1/4 oz. Peters orSuper-X 12 gauge loads. So it was for many years, a 12 gauge standardweight A-5defining the pheasant and duck gun. It did the job then and they work just aswell today.
My Dad isturning 80 years young next year and you can believe he still enjoys pheasanthunting. I've been a 16 gauge and 20 gauge fan for pheasants for many years,but we all understand how old habits are hard to change. Most of us don't havereflexes that improve with age, and I'm no exception, nor is my Dad. When I wasvery young, my Dad would have two roosters dead in the air before I got my gunto my shoulder. You might remember what they say about 'paybacks'? Anyway,quite often the tables have become exactly turned.
I'm notafraid to take advantage when it presents itself; it was a fly-to the-shoulderA 303 or B-80 that most often did the trick and still does, thirty-five wildIllinois pheasants out of the ditches and waterways every year. Dad was stilllugging his A-5 standardweight. Well, as most know, even a 'Light Twelve' isnot particularly light. When Browning introduced their Gold, I was impressedwith it. Dad ribbed me about my suggestion that he try a twenty, particular a‘new-fangled gas gun,' but finally Dad succumbed to my borderline clever urging.It was a Browning. It has been the long-held belief that only Brownings areadequate for pheasants in northern Illinois. The name Browning finally weakenedDad to the point where off to Mega-Sports we went. The model that fit Dad thebest cost nine dollars or so more than one that didn't fit quite right. Dadeven splurged, throwing caution to the wind, and spent that extra nine dollars,eventually. He first had to 'discuss it with my Mother,' another traditional,borderline clever Wakeman ploy.
Using 1-1/4oz. 3 in. 20 gauge shells with buffered #5 shot and the factory BrowningInvector Plus chokes, the first 21 shots or so out of that gun resulted in 21dead cock pheasants for my Dad. Lighter, to say the very least, compared to thestandard weight A-5 and much faster due to weight, girth, and its 26 inchbarrel. It instantly erased twenty years of time for my Dad: fun to carry, andlightning fast to the shoulder by comparison. He loves that gun so much he evencleans it every couple of years, whether it needs it or not. He still shootsit, and I don't believe that is likely to change. It went to Argentina and tookits fair share of ducks as well. It is shotgun nirvana for my father. With 7/8oz. loads, the recoil is almost non-existent: you can barely feel the gunworking.
In one ofmany patterning sessions, this one in particular with lead turkey loads, I'vehad 1-1/4 oz. and 1-5/16 oz. 20 gauge loads clearly, vividly, dramaticallyoutperform 1-1/2 oz. and 1-7/8 oz. 12 gauge loads, but putting up to 100% more#5 shot holes in the turkey target at 40 yards than some 12 gauges. Naturally,I cheated again, using buffered Federal 1-5/16 oz. loads and Fiocchi Goldenpheasant loads married to Trulock Precision Hunter extended chokes in the 20gauges against fixed and factory screw chokes in the 12 gauges. We still don'tlike the notion that every shotgun is an individual, but they sure are. Not all20 gauges pattern superbly, to be sure, nor do all 12 gauges, either. Qualityshells, quality chokes and patterning our shotguns at the ranges we intend totake game is the only way to find out what our gun really does. It is hard toaccept, but the marking on a choke or barrel means nothing tangible. What theyactually do is what counts.
Fl Studio 12 Vs 20
Fl Studio 12 Vs 20
So, thereis no 'versus.' Twenty gauges (and 16 gauges) are superb tools for pheasants,doves and turkey, at least when you use the proper shell and choke. Nothingmuch can live on the difference, and nothing has. When hull component capacitybecomes important it becomes 12 gauge territory (steel shot) and the same canbe said for dedicated handicap trap or race guns. For all else, it is 20 gaugeor 16 gauge for me. That's not a versus, not a vitriolic recommendation, butpersonal preference. I have more fun with them; you just might as well.Besides, my Dad is always right, eventually.